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01-15-2016, 05:52 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-15-2016, 06:02 PM by Nanny.
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NHWatcher, *honestly* were I a minister I would say exactly what I said to you. In fact, I know a minister that *is this honest and blunt, and I cherish him second to only my precious daddy that I was blessed with until he passed.
What is the reason to not be so honest and blunt with a congregation? is this a bit of ego that is within those teaching the minsters as well as with, not saying you because "I don't know" but a good number of the ministers?
What is wrong with folks within a church that hold their ministers in too high of regard, as if any human but Jesus really is "infallible?!" This is the crux of this subject we're discussing at this time.
We each, now that the veil is torn, can go to and hear *directly from our Lord, Jesus. Yes, it's great to have an elder within this journey into eternity to go to and bounce things off of. But, this doesn't negate that we each should trust our own walk with God and that "inner-leading."
Honestly, yes. The finest among ministers indeed will be like "training wheels on a bike" in encouraging their flock to reach and ask within themselves.
The finest ministers will not feel that because they are speaking publicly to many that they cannot or should not admit when they do not have an answer. What do some of them think they are, gods actually? I mean even just a tad, feel or think that way? Oh, the treasure to have someone minister to you us that is simple and honest, blunt but of course not from spitefulness or rudeness.
Honest like a little boy telling an old lady like me, "hey, why do you have a mustache" etc. After-all, bible tells us "except ye become as little children you will no way enter Heaven."
Paul spoke the simple fact. The Holy Spirit is not limited to ministering just through those that call themselves such. God's word, yes is Jesus but meaning the "written" word is not limited to just the bible. His Spirit speaks through even us as we, too write "letters" to others and more bibles could be bound and published, *gasp, lol. No, I did not just commit blasphemy. The Living, eternal Spirit speaks through humans, always has and always will.
Ministers should be willing to trust His Spirit to comfort and deal with the folks that receive that answer "I don't know." Which would, IMO always be followed by our own comforting reminders of how perfect, loving, Patient! and fair that our God is.
"If you find some church which operates perfectly in the grey "I don't know" realm, let me know." You said.
What do you suggest churches operate in? The "white lies so as to not hurt anybody's little feelings?!" I'll tell ya this, if you find a megachurch that does NOT operate in the "feel good" arena with little white lies, do let me know.
What I may be able to "find" and what **should* be able to be found are sadly the opposites, here.
Ministers that "feel their congregation's pain" and operate within that are no better than a spoiling mama that steals her children's maturity and sometimes even their salvation by feeling their pain and lying to and coddling them out of her "love."
I am sincerely glad you are not leaving. We are not just the salt of the earth, *all of us, conclusive of all philosophies of life are not just salt but it is in our differences that are the spices of life. How can any of us grow if we are not willing to or not able to have discussions with those we disagree with on something.
Lastly, you are my sibling-in-Christ, and I am yours whether either of us secretly were to wish it not so, or not. We both rock for what we have discussed, and how we have done it. I love our Father-God for countless things, one of which comes to mind right now.
He does not let us choose who our siblings are.
He is not limited to each of our beliefs, is a sovereign, direct and personal savior and Father.
There are what, I've read approx. 2,000 sects of Christianity. Oh my, and each thinking in our heart of hearts that we have the truest flavor of our church/beliefs.
Surely He is up there smiling, amused at each of us at various times and yet pleased with our faith, fervor and looking to Him for even our every breath.
What is the reason to not be so honest and blunt with a congregation? is this a bit of ego that is within those teaching the minsters as well as with, not saying you because "I don't know" but a good number of the ministers?
What is wrong with folks within a church that hold their ministers in too high of regard, as if any human but Jesus really is "infallible?!" This is the crux of this subject we're discussing at this time.
We each, now that the veil is torn, can go to and hear *directly from our Lord, Jesus. Yes, it's great to have an elder within this journey into eternity to go to and bounce things off of. But, this doesn't negate that we each should trust our own walk with God and that "inner-leading."
Honestly, yes. The finest among ministers indeed will be like "training wheels on a bike" in encouraging their flock to reach and ask within themselves.
The finest ministers will not feel that because they are speaking publicly to many that they cannot or should not admit when they do not have an answer. What do some of them think they are, gods actually? I mean even just a tad, feel or think that way? Oh, the treasure to have someone minister to you us that is simple and honest, blunt but of course not from spitefulness or rudeness.
Honest like a little boy telling an old lady like me, "hey, why do you have a mustache" etc. After-all, bible tells us "except ye become as little children you will no way enter Heaven."
Paul spoke the simple fact. The Holy Spirit is not limited to ministering just through those that call themselves such. God's word, yes is Jesus but meaning the "written" word is not limited to just the bible. His Spirit speaks through even us as we, too write "letters" to others and more bibles could be bound and published, *gasp, lol. No, I did not just commit blasphemy. The Living, eternal Spirit speaks through humans, always has and always will.
Ministers should be willing to trust His Spirit to comfort and deal with the folks that receive that answer "I don't know." Which would, IMO always be followed by our own comforting reminders of how perfect, loving, Patient! and fair that our God is.
"If you find some church which operates perfectly in the grey "I don't know" realm, let me know." You said.
What do you suggest churches operate in? The "white lies so as to not hurt anybody's little feelings?!" I'll tell ya this, if you find a megachurch that does NOT operate in the "feel good" arena with little white lies, do let me know.
What I may be able to "find" and what **should* be able to be found are sadly the opposites, here.
Ministers that "feel their congregation's pain" and operate within that are no better than a spoiling mama that steals her children's maturity and sometimes even their salvation by feeling their pain and lying to and coddling them out of her "love."
I am sincerely glad you are not leaving. We are not just the salt of the earth, *all of us, conclusive of all philosophies of life are not just salt but it is in our differences that are the spices of life. How can any of us grow if we are not willing to or not able to have discussions with those we disagree with on something.
Lastly, you are my sibling-in-Christ, and I am yours whether either of us secretly were to wish it not so, or not. We both rock for what we have discussed, and how we have done it. I love our Father-God for countless things, one of which comes to mind right now.
He does not let us choose who our siblings are.
He is not limited to each of our beliefs, is a sovereign, direct and personal savior and Father.
There are what, I've read approx. 2,000 sects of Christianity. Oh my, and each thinking in our heart of hearts that we have the truest flavor of our church/beliefs.
Surely He is up there smiling, amused at each of us at various times and yet pleased with our faith, fervor and looking to Him for even our every breath.