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01-16-2016, 06:02 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-17-2016, 04:01 AM by Nanny.
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NHWatcher, these public forums are all open to anyone that's registered so it's cool beans with me if everyone or few chat on it. I thank you again for answering my request that you start it here.
Yes, it's a very hard situation that we all deal with. I take my que from the ones that are likely hurting the most. I do my best to answer honestly, being true to the reality and potential reality of it when it's something like being discussed that no other human can know the answer to, though we can have hunches about.
I know nothing about Augustine and Ambrose, was it? Therefore, I can't know for sure but it sounds to me like Ambrose did the little "white lie" thing, telling the grieving that someone or some group of people will not "go unsaved." We mere mortals can't know who will be saved and who will not. Yes, we are saved by faith not by works, *but, same bible tells us that "faith without works is dead" and of course this is because dead faith does not save anyone.
Yes, the simplicity of a child wants, hopes for and even expects definite answers. We and they of course do not always get definite answers. We get what is definitely possible or even probable. We then get schooled and hopefully, brought gently to the realities of no one being able to give us definite answers except God. A little child should be gently pointed to pondering and gently told when we do not know we in fact can't possibly know anything for sure.
LOL no, God is the ONLY being that doesn't *not* know something. Thankfully, you're not in any danger of having God answer you that way as your spirit heads toward the light/God upon physical death.
That may indeed be the point of this thread. I know I still feel as clean as I was before this discussion. It is true that a pile of dung doesn't taint the sun, but the sun purifies it.
Indeed each of us has shone light of truth here. It is in the differences between siblings-in-Christ that we may discern the difference in Eternally-speaking, the "need to know" and the "nice to know."
God bless you, NHWatcher.
Yes, it's a very hard situation that we all deal with. I take my que from the ones that are likely hurting the most. I do my best to answer honestly, being true to the reality and potential reality of it when it's something like being discussed that no other human can know the answer to, though we can have hunches about.
I know nothing about Augustine and Ambrose, was it? Therefore, I can't know for sure but it sounds to me like Ambrose did the little "white lie" thing, telling the grieving that someone or some group of people will not "go unsaved." We mere mortals can't know who will be saved and who will not. Yes, we are saved by faith not by works, *but, same bible tells us that "faith without works is dead" and of course this is because dead faith does not save anyone.
Yes, the simplicity of a child wants, hopes for and even expects definite answers. We and they of course do not always get definite answers. We get what is definitely possible or even probable. We then get schooled and hopefully, brought gently to the realities of no one being able to give us definite answers except God. A little child should be gently pointed to pondering and gently told when we do not know we in fact can't possibly know anything for sure.
LOL no, God is the ONLY being that doesn't *not* know something. Thankfully, you're not in any danger of having God answer you that way as your spirit heads toward the light/God upon physical death.
That may indeed be the point of this thread. I know I still feel as clean as I was before this discussion. It is true that a pile of dung doesn't taint the sun, but the sun purifies it.
Indeed each of us has shone light of truth here. It is in the differences between siblings-in-Christ that we may discern the difference in Eternally-speaking, the "need to know" and the "nice to know."
God bless you, NHWatcher.