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10-03-2014, 10:20 PM
I finally had a chance to read Elyse's dream again and read your entire post, Balsa. I've got some thoughts to ad but, I must confess, I probably have more questions than anything. I'll apologize up front if I ask a question you answered later on in your post. I read this at 3 a.m. this morning and noticed this but not sure if I made adequate notes. In that regard, it's ok if you say you already answered. Also, lack of sleep = a very tired me. So, if I'm way off base on something please point it out 
One of the things that confounded me in this dream is that it seemed as if things were backwards. In other words, what I normally interpret as positive is negative and vice versa. In the dream there are spiders and turtles. Both of these, to my recollection, are weavers/creators. I seem to remember a creation myth where the earth was built on the turtles back. But, in this dream spiders are seen as something to be feared and extinguished. Also, the part where the chemical gets in the turtle tank is met with a flippant "I killed the spider and now worried about the turtle. The turtle seemed ok and I thought to myself that it should be fine bit if it were to die, that would be unfortunate. He would have to take one for the team." This seems like, to me, killing creation which is so very opposite of every other dream I've read of Elyse.
In your analysis you mentioned, "The false god in the dream is either money or relief from money." For some reason this sparked a memory of my own analysis of Elyse's "Space Time Continuum?" dream. Some notes I made regarding this dream are:
The opening scene of marital discord is illustrating how far off we have gotten from our true purpose. There is discord in our "house" (planet)
and
the fabric is frayed because humanity has looked to modern [things] (that do not last) for sustenance instead of seeking eternal life through relationship with God/fellow humans. Note: I'm not particularly religious but I don't have any other words to describe this. Because humanity has gone so far off track chasing money, power, greed, etc. the very fabric of our world is fraying. We need to return to a more pure state to reweave the tapestry but (link to Rae's dream) it has to be something new because the old attempts have not worked.
Now that I'm typing this I can't seem to remember why I felt these two were connected. Maybe someone else reading this will see it. Oh, I think I figured it out! You mentioned later on in your post about trying to determine what False God is a metaphor for. Then you mentioned money, children abandoned, consumerism. I think that's what jogged my memory. The fraying of the fabric of our world, its destruction, is because of the pursuit of these things. yea!
In your analysis you mentioned: "In short, what I believe are the pieces to a vase puzzle were finally assembled by me only in the last few days prior to reading this very dream." Do you feel comfortable sharing your insights?
In your analysis you mentioned that Elyse killing the spiders were her attempting to "rewrite the script to her own liking." I'm curious about this idea. Do you think this is possible? If someone is strong enough? That part of the dream sequence ended abruptly. What would have caused it to end and/or why was the dreamer not able to complete her alteration? Was it finished. Was the interference enough to alter events? Am I making sense?
In your analysis you mentioned: "I feel the rescue story is naturally linked...." and "....perhaps road signs warning about dangerous curves ahead." Do you think this is precognitive in the fact that it is showing an event having to do with children will precede the arrival of the false god? If so, what do you feel the chances that the S. American refugee children are fulfilling this part of the dream?
Something I noted regarding the dream is the scene where she is on the ship and passes the rooms with belongings in them. In this instance I see belongings as memories, or identity. The fact that all of these accompanied the people on the ship actually supports your final analysis. I see this as total eradication of the person including the soul. What does a person leave behind when they die?- possessions and memories other people have of them. I don't know this just seems like soul eradication to me. Just like you mentioned, ensuring that mass death cannot be followed by mass birth = control of population.
Another thing you mentioned: "The storm is a metaphor for what can be seen coming our way, and this is the notion that you can download your mind into a machine, or a storage container of some kind in order to transcend life as a human being." Clarification here: are you saying the download of the mind is THE event or is it an example?
Ok, that's all I've got. Looking forward to your, and others', explanations, continued discussion.
One of the things that confounded me in this dream is that it seemed as if things were backwards. In other words, what I normally interpret as positive is negative and vice versa. In the dream there are spiders and turtles. Both of these, to my recollection, are weavers/creators. I seem to remember a creation myth where the earth was built on the turtles back. But, in this dream spiders are seen as something to be feared and extinguished. Also, the part where the chemical gets in the turtle tank is met with a flippant "I killed the spider and now worried about the turtle. The turtle seemed ok and I thought to myself that it should be fine bit if it were to die, that would be unfortunate. He would have to take one for the team." This seems like, to me, killing creation which is so very opposite of every other dream I've read of Elyse.
In your analysis you mentioned, "The false god in the dream is either money or relief from money." For some reason this sparked a memory of my own analysis of Elyse's "Space Time Continuum?" dream. Some notes I made regarding this dream are:
The opening scene of marital discord is illustrating how far off we have gotten from our true purpose. There is discord in our "house" (planet)
and
the fabric is frayed because humanity has looked to modern [things] (that do not last) for sustenance instead of seeking eternal life through relationship with God/fellow humans. Note: I'm not particularly religious but I don't have any other words to describe this. Because humanity has gone so far off track chasing money, power, greed, etc. the very fabric of our world is fraying. We need to return to a more pure state to reweave the tapestry but (link to Rae's dream) it has to be something new because the old attempts have not worked.
Now that I'm typing this I can't seem to remember why I felt these two were connected. Maybe someone else reading this will see it. Oh, I think I figured it out! You mentioned later on in your post about trying to determine what False God is a metaphor for. Then you mentioned money, children abandoned, consumerism. I think that's what jogged my memory. The fraying of the fabric of our world, its destruction, is because of the pursuit of these things. yea!
In your analysis you mentioned: "In short, what I believe are the pieces to a vase puzzle were finally assembled by me only in the last few days prior to reading this very dream." Do you feel comfortable sharing your insights?
In your analysis you mentioned that Elyse killing the spiders were her attempting to "rewrite the script to her own liking." I'm curious about this idea. Do you think this is possible? If someone is strong enough? That part of the dream sequence ended abruptly. What would have caused it to end and/or why was the dreamer not able to complete her alteration? Was it finished. Was the interference enough to alter events? Am I making sense?
In your analysis you mentioned: "I feel the rescue story is naturally linked...." and "....perhaps road signs warning about dangerous curves ahead." Do you think this is precognitive in the fact that it is showing an event having to do with children will precede the arrival of the false god? If so, what do you feel the chances that the S. American refugee children are fulfilling this part of the dream?
Something I noted regarding the dream is the scene where she is on the ship and passes the rooms with belongings in them. In this instance I see belongings as memories, or identity. The fact that all of these accompanied the people on the ship actually supports your final analysis. I see this as total eradication of the person including the soul. What does a person leave behind when they die?- possessions and memories other people have of them. I don't know this just seems like soul eradication to me. Just like you mentioned, ensuring that mass death cannot be followed by mass birth = control of population.
Another thing you mentioned: "The storm is a metaphor for what can be seen coming our way, and this is the notion that you can download your mind into a machine, or a storage container of some kind in order to transcend life as a human being." Clarification here: are you saying the download of the mind is THE event or is it an example?
Ok, that's all I've got. Looking forward to your, and others', explanations, continued discussion.